Ralph Cavanagh is senior attorney and co-director of Natural Resources Defense Council’s energy program. He joined the NRDC in 1979 and has had an illustrious career focusing on removing barriers to cost-effective energy efficiency, and on the role that electric and natural gas utilities can play in leading a clean energy transition. Ralph and Ted dig into performance-based rate paying, revenue decoupling, NRDC’s stance on net-energy metering in California, and current decarbonization works.