As president of PAE Consulting Engineers, Inc. Paul Schwer leads a talented group of over 380 engineering, design, and business professionals creating the most energy and water efficient buildings in the world. Ted and Paul discuss the Living Building Challenge – the next step past LEED. Paul goes on to highlight the potential for timber framing, the PAE office building using waste as a product, and the concept for the “Irresistible Stairway” at the Bullitt Center.